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June 26. 1975 The Glentqlle l~mocrat/Pathflnder 7 a Senator for toped en c mun took a s energT Doff !Ruse for tb be the kind byh= have of be'ms a or even a young was religious boy. going to COUrlt~, by the an very my ; or book, and write back ta good In the algebra. I gone up. Along with it has gone up the price of coal, electricity, and all other forms of energy. The oil embargo of 18 months ago brought home the fact that we're no longer in a cbeap energy era. We're in an energy deficit era. and in my life time it will never be as cheap as it once was. The Arab countries have raised the price of oil. Not only the Arab countries, but all the countries in the off cartel have greatly increased prices, and have indicated they are going to increase the price again this fall by four dollars a barrel. Each dollar per barrel increases the cost of gasoline by about four cents, so if the oil cartel increases the price of off by four dollars a barrel, the price of gasoline will go up 16 cents a gallon. President Ford has imposed a two dollars increase on oil imvorts. All of this increase in the price of oil is going to manifest itself in high price increases across the board, I can certainly understand the problems of people who are hying on fixed incomes. I don't see how they can make it. I think we've got to conserve energy in this country, and we've got to speed up the research program which will enable us to produce synthetic fuels from coal, and develop exotic forms of energy, such as solar energy and geothermal energy, and so on. Barrows: Do you foresee gasoline rationing by fall? Byrd: I should certainly hope not. but if the~'e should be another war in the Middle East. we could anticipate another oil embargo, and with that we Barrows: When you came to Calhoun several years ago you ma~ls a speech about Vietnam, how we had a right to be there. Now everythtn| is turned around. Do you fro'sag amnesty for those people wuo went to Sweden or Canada in ~ faith, rather than go to war in Vietnam? Byrd: I personally cannot support blanket anmesty for them. I think each case can be handled on an individual basis. There are undoubtedly some cases in which the persons involved did not realize they were violating the law. Perhaps they did not think they were violating the law. I think that under our system, when the laws are violated, there has to be come penalty. What tb,~y did was a violation of the law. In my iudgment, they chose their course and they will have to be dealt with on an individual basis. There are a lot of people out of work in his country, a lot of veterans who went to Vietnam, some who went didn't want to go, but they went and served out their time. Some didn't come back. Some came back wounded. I don't think that it is justice to them to grant blanket amnesty to others who Barrows: Can we vver again trust the CIA er FBI? Byrd: I think that it would first "have to be shown that the CIA violated the laws in its domestic surve~ance activities. Reports are not out yet. I think we may just be going hog wild in what the CIA may have done in Cuba or other countries. I. for one. am not going to get too upset about what the CIA has done in some foreign countries. Now if it violates the law and impinges upon the freedoms of Americans and violates the law m so doing, then that's an entirely different matter. It ought not to do that. and ff new laws are needed to prevent that in the future, then I would support those laws. Gallagher: Are you saying that the CIA should have license to do as it feels it has to do in international affairs. Byrd: rm saying that the CIA, by necessity has to conduct certain activities in foreign countries that we might view as violations of the law in +this country, but if it is necessary in the best interests of our own country in the national interest of our own chose not to answer the call of their country, country, but chose to leave. Many of criticized. the Vietnam veterans are unemployed and I think they should have first call on the jobs. People who fled the country to avoid answering the call, who violated the law in doing so, by then giving them blanket amnesty they would be competing for jobs with men who went to Vietnam. I did not the CIA should not be Galla : Even ff it violates the law? Byrd: I think we have to be realistic. We're not dealing with kids, We're not playing a game of checkers when we play with the Soviet Union. They have not hesitated to violate the laws,and I don't think we should be their price off, the United States has slapped a two dollar import tax on oil, so why should we be criticized for raising the price of off that comes out of the grqund?" and they intend to raise the price again. Congress is attempting to deal not only with the energy problem, but the economy, unemployment, in a broad program. To raise the price of oil. raises the price of every product that is petroleum ba~ It will raise the price of these eyeglasses I hold. It will raise the cost of the casing of this fountain pen. It will raise the cost of textiles that I wear. It will bring about an increase in freight rates. It will increase the cost of fertilizer, So when the price of oil is increased, it means that the price of practically all'other thugs that the American consumer has to buy will go up. Barrows: v.5~1W are you lettin| Ford do the? Byrd: We passed legislation negating his import tariffs, but he vetoed, it, and I don't think we have the votes to override the veto. Barrows: Speaking of hew about the strip mining bill, Will Cmllr'-=d overrldo the veto? Byrd: I doubt that the Senate will get a chance to vote to override that, because I doubt that the House will vote to override. The President always starts with a built-in advantage in,that he needs only one third plus one to sustain a veto. Barrows: The Presidout is a powerful mu. OwL isn't he? legislation that will mandate fuel efficiency standards ha the manufacture of automobiles. We're also trying to move in the area of mass transit to save energy. We're trying to stimulate the railroad industry because this is one of the most fuel efficient modes of transportation. A lot neede to be done to bring our railroads back. It's basic to our national security. But we in the Congress are attempting to deal with all these things without upsetting one problem while dealing with another. I hope that we have the understanding of the American people. As for the unemployment problems, we are working on that, also. Many jobs are to be involved in a $5.2 billion public works program. These would put people to work in our national parks and forests. It's much better to keep people working and producing and paying taxes, than to have them on welfare or drawing unemployment compensation. These things are not casting a reflection on those who have to rive on w~r people who are temporarily ~ork. Congress has has extende~ merits, expanded coverage, so people will have more time to~md jobs. There ar~ome people who don't want to work~ouidn't work. and so far as I'm con ed, those who will not work should not eat. If they're physically ramble to work, or out of a job rfly, b want to help them get a job, help them to sustain their m public would see liaes forming again, support amnesty on that basis. There taken aback ff the CIA violated some Byrd: I'm saying that the families, while they're looking for in my Barrows: Will we be using might be some individual cases in of their laws, if it is in the national Presidency is powerf|d/He needs one worki What ~'~t~g to do is help t~[ in a coupon system? which there might be some interest of our country, third plus one. Congress only requires those people ~Want to work, and was 28 I Byrd: I would hope we don't go to justification, based on facts. Gallaglmr: But Watorgate has a majority of one vote to pass the law, those who ce irk, to assist them. fDelegates,gasoline rationing. I don't think there Barrows: What about these made thinp seem to be domo ~ but the President vetoes that law and I believe American people Senate, would be any need to go to that except Vietnamese now in our countr~ Do natloaal eecm'tty whid~ mma to Congress has to have two-thirds inhave the cha] and resourceful. at rives in a national emergency, such as you think they, are going to be became a blanket excuse of all mamaer each House to override. The nasa to overcome problems if they put another embargo, absorbed? Aren t they going to be in of thtap, constitutional forefathers, I think, their faith in the ~l~ersbip at the top. next Barrows: Can these people on the job market? Byrd: It has, because too many were wise, in providing that advantage When the De Toucqueville "Byrd Social Security look forward to any Byrd: I would suppose the samethings were done under the cloak of to the President, balancing the powers, visited 1840, he said by the people for the West but a job agone of the party 3 Senate. I first, that let the down the SUcceeding Leader agate next will all about Ctndidate? Want to get choices Ilmaecrats and see. will who will and and as to their even a :to have ticket. far out could have aS tie wal bein the hate UOt. the at his We Ntof ever nc~t of all up been of ~e have of Our lUpply has increase to help them pay their utility bills? o Byrd: Congress has enacted legislation just recently providing a one shot $50 payment to recipients of Social Security. The President has asked Congress to place a five per cent ceiling on Social Security increases, but the Congress is not going to go along with the President. We intend for Social Security recipients to get their cost of living increase. They'll get a little more money coming in to help them pay their bills. + Barrows: We tare housin too. can afford to build new houses are millionaires. Byrd: Houses are like everything else, they cost too much. Housing has been caught up by inflation just like everything else. Congress has enacted legislation to provide for a $2,000 tax break in buffing a home. It is confined to those houses already under construction or already built when the law was passed. This legislation was enacted to get the inventory of housing moving. There was a national inventory of over 400,000 single family homes that had been built and on the market but not moving. The tax credit was passed by Congress to stimulate the purchase of these homes. In talking to sonic of the home builders of West Virginia. we have been advised that the inventory of homes is moving, We also passed legislation in Congress to provide for an interest rate subsidy so that more lower and middle hmome home buyers could purchase homes at a reasonable interest rate, so that young people can buy homes with a reasonable rate of interest. Congress felt that this was one way of stimulating the economy andputting people to work. it has been estimated that every new houahug start two jobs, two man-years of work are "created. This takes into consideration the appliances, the carpet, the draperies, everything. So Congress, in enacting this legislation felt his was one way to best stimulate the economy. We wanted to put people to work~ because the housing construction industry is one of the most ~ob intensive industries. Barrows: Are we ever going to have any national health insureace? Byrd: Congress has been stud-'ymg this subject for some years. I would hope that Congress would legislate at least to provide for catastrophic ilLuess - but as to the comprehensive national health programs that have. been advocated by some of the senators and house members, I have my doubts that ConRress would enact that broad a program because of the cost. The Preisdent, in his budget, contemplated a $52 billion deficit. He now sees a $60 billion deficit, and it will probably be higher than that figure, so I would doubt that Congress: would enact a comprehensive national health insurance program because of the cost. But I certainly think we would want to try to find a way to deal with catastrophic illness so that the average American family would not have its life savings wiped out overnight with some catastrophic illness. All these problems cost money. They all dovetail, to some extent. argument would apply to them. I was opposed to bringing in a large number of Vietnamese into our country. We now have a 9.2% unemployment rate. We have 8~ million people out of work. We have six or eight million illegal aliens in this country, and it is estimated that one million hold jobs. I feel we must show compassion to the people who came to th~ country seeking safety. At the same time, I don't think we ought to encourage Watergata of which had absolutely nothing to do with national security. and that casts a bed light on the term - but it still exists. Gdh,ll : Who dot aa- tional security? Byrd: WelL certainly not the people who are runni~ around making headlines trying to destroy the C]A. There are people high in the government, the President of the United States, the National Security them. I feel that we did that. I certainly Council these ought to be trusted, and did not object to bringing out some of: if we can't trust them, why have any National Security Council. or Prosiden the Cambodians and South Vietnameee ~of, the United States. or anything else? +assoc~f$ons with ~ U~:~te~ I they are looking out ~r the _b~_,l didn't object to bringing them out a~ng with l)ur own citizens where seats inteitests of our country and they can t were available. I feel our government make everything public. It can't be laid actually encouraged 8 good many of these people to come, and I understand some would like to go back. They're living in strange culture. They're having problems getting jobs. We already have welfare problems in this country. We will have .to have training programs for their employment. I have also advocated that our country get other countries to give these people help, and some other countries will assist them. Barrows: One thing that disturLm me, this computer network, mS and FBI flies 811 8otng into the White House, are we ping to have something ltke Watergato all over again? Byrd: I think it's an abuse by the bureaucracies of the liberties and freedoms of Americana. It smacks of a police state. I'm also disturbed by these revelatio|ia that the IRS was used in this way, and it's damaging to the IRS. The committees of Congress having jurisdiction over these aaencies will continue looking into these~ changes to see if legislation is needed to prevent occurances. Barrows: We aloe hear of the CIA being involved in ttm pluts. That's another disturbing ~'y. Byrd: The CIA is a useful instrument in regard to our national security. There have been some charges that the CIA violated the laws of this country in domestic surveiliance. These charges out to be looked into, but we have to be careful and I said so several months ago in examining the charge~ of violations of law in the United States in regard to surveillance of American citizens, We have to be very careful that we don't start an unraveling of information of covert foreign gathering information. The United States cannot afford the luxury of being without the CIA. It is necessary to know whm is going on in some of the other countries that are potential enemies. I'm afraid that these investigations will have had an adverse impact on the effectiveness of the CIA. I think its effectiveness can be destroyed, and when that's done, it can impair the national security of our country. I think some of these investigations have gone too far. They started out to investigate domestic surveillance of the CIA which may have been beyond the law. Now they are getting into international operatio- nal activities of the CIA abroad. This damages the CIA and as a result, the national security interests of country are jeopardized. out on the record. While some wrongful acts have been committed in the name of national security, that does not dispose of the fact that there is such a thing as national security. and that some activiites in foreign countries have to be carried on in secret and might not be the kind of activities we would be engaged in, in dealing with ordinary affairs. Barrows: Spe dnS of a related tepid, hew did Wu vet un Olta appmpriatlun=? Did ~ euplmrt the Presidunt? Byrd: Yes. I did. I voted for the bill the Senate passed yesterday. I voted against about all of the amendments that were offered to reduce appropriations or obligations that would lead to appropriations for the various weapons system. Barrows: Hew ahem Ualtod Statoe recopitiun of Cuhe? 18 thut Byrd: Eventually, I expect it will. I think that we should continue to reevaluate our policy towards Cuba. We have opened the door toward more communications with the Peoples Republic of China, and we continue recognition and communication with the Soviet Union. 1 don't see why we can't at least tW to commute with Cuba. We have an anti.jacking pact with Cuba which has worked very well. Castro has not been successful in exporting his brand of communism to Latin American countries, and more have changed their position vis-a. vls Cuba. As conditions change, we should continue to analyze the situation and do what is best for our country. Barrows: Wlmt do yea tldak" we can do for our most prassin| preidam.? Byrd: It will take time. but + Congress is working oa some of them. Many of them dovetaiL The energT problem, unemployment, inflation, the housing slump, the automobile industry slump, all these things work toptlmr as a jig saw ~ and we have to deal with all of them. We can't just double the price of energy and say this is gnin-8 to deal with the energy problems. With all due respect to the President, and I think he has to be 8ivan credit for what he thinks is the answer - the wrong answer - to double the price of energg, It won't bring about the diminishing of imports of oiL nor will it have effect d causing the oil cartel to drop its prices. They {the oil cartel} are trains the President's action to raise their prices asain. They're saying "'well now, look. the industrial countries are raisins Barrows: No wonder people around here are .eying "Dyrd Preetdent." They wut a friend in the White House. B~'d: I appreciate their feeling~ in that regard_. I want to say one other thing about the problems that confront our country. As I have said. in Cong ,ess we are working on a program, but it takes time. T'nare are 535 members of Congress. There is only one President. and when this one President speaks, he speaks for the Executive branch. No optimism was i~ie most outstanding characteristio:~ the American people. He said '*The inc/'edible American believes that ~ something has not yet been e jt is because he has not yet attempted it." Now we have problems that are serious, but they are really nothing compared to the problems of the 30's when 25 percent of the labor force was out of work. We didn't have Social Security, we didn't have welfare payments, we didn't have unemploy- ment compensation, we didn't have federal grant in aid programs for students to hal go to coll#g~ 535 different members, and 535 different ideas, different solutions to the problems. While Congress may appear to be slow at times, quite a number of measures are making their way through committees, throngh the channels, to the floor of beth houses, to deal with the energy problem. We in Congress, in dealing with the energy problem don't want to take action that will exacerbate unemployment, or that will exacerbate inflation, or make more difficult the revival of the housing industry, or the automobile industry. It's a very dolicate ~ that we have to do so we're attempting to deal with energy on many fronts. We're providing legislation to encourage people to insulate their homes to save energy. We're providing more even the 0.2 p~ unemployed have help, and our country is a lot better off today than in those days. If we overcame the the problems of that era, we can overcome the problems of today. We have to keep in mind that there are 84 million people at work in this country, so that while unemployment has gone up, employment has gone up as well. 1 + you're eager to take the wheel of a new car-. take a minute to discuss with us. 0 pou back that wheel Glenvflle, W.Ve. Member FDIC